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Fair warning, this may be more explicit about my sexual desires than you want to read.

(a dear friend's post about gender issues and genderqueerness/third gender stuff, I'll edit in the link if zie chooses)

My reply:

As you might expect, this resonated hugely with me. Hugely. When this appears as a post on my own LJ, would you prefer a linkback or no?

Also, this is an icon that I use extraordinarily cautiously, and basically never when full-transition trans issues are on the table, for fear of it seeming dismissive in just the wrong ways. But it's definitely all about my own experience of and appreciation for genderqueerness and our wonderful in-between-land.

Part of why High School was so miserable for me, on top of everything else I went off about (and I think this also deserves its own post) is how I was forcing myself into girl drag, and horribly uncomfortable and awkward in it about 90% of the time. I didn't know how else to connect with my sexuality, to connect with partners' sexuality, outside those very gendered forms of sexual performance (despite often being hugely attracted to people who violated those boundaries, specifically). I didn't recognize, for some reason, probably all high-school-brain-insecurity-related, that I could be sexy without being femme. That even if I saw other people pulling it off, that it could ever be me (I think that's often a big part of my perpetual cluelessness). That I could kiss a boy without being a "girl". The random intermittent points when I actually did connect authentically with my feminine side just made it all the more confusing. And since part of my reaction to this was to dodge all fashion issues and just let my mother continue to dress me funny, I didn't learn most of those skills until much later in life than I would've preferred, either. That pattern continued through parts of college, although I did finally start learning that stuff, start finding what felt authentic to me. Thank you queer culture, amen and hallelujah!

Personally, in terms of transition-related issues, I might have other ideals about my body (I'd like to be taller, tougher, more butch, more able to pass, more androgynous, with a gigantic fucking clit of fantastic, cock-like proportions), but I would never give up my cunt. I would never give up my staggering, pulsating multiple orgasms that send me into an altered state. I'd never give up vaginal fisting, double penetration, or the fantasy of double-fisting. Besides, strap-ons are awesome, and pretty thoroughly satisfying for me as a way of addressing that other side. My breasts irritate me some intermittently, but they fit my body, and in general I love its' robust curviness and strength and earth mother shape. And I've been able to build a happy relationship with the femininity of my body by using that kind of archetype in my self-identity.

As far as interest in medical treatment, or even giving enough of a damn to try to pass? I'm too lazy. Honestly, that's a huge part of it. It's not so important to me that I'm willing to bind and primp and prepare and do everything that would be necessary to ever start passing with my particular body. I'd actually be moderately interested in adding low-level testosterone to my body, but again, too lazy to deal with the extra medical hassle in my life. Have enough of that shit.

I still get a little grin on the rare occasions (usually during Cleveland winters) when I accidentally do, though. Always makes me happy to be "sir'd"

I do NOT get a little happy grin when people anxiously and well-meaningly try to "reassure me" about my femininity when I state anything about how I feel about my own internal gender sense. (It's similar to how I react when people try to "reassure me" that I'm not fat) Excuse me? No. You have taken the wrong path in this conversation, and if you don't stop, I'm about to make you extraordinarily uncomfortable with the level of detail I will freely give you about why you are on the wrong path. Actually, my standard response to people complimenting me on looking all feminine because I'm wearing a dress for once is "yeah, sometimes in this heat the need not to wear pants trumps all internal gender sense." I consider that "fair warning" that they're on dangerous ground and should back away slowly. My corollary response on fat stuff? Depending on the actual recent facts: "Oh, did you lose weight? You look wonderful!" "*happy bouncy voice* Nope, don't think so!" or "*concerned tone* Yeah, I think one of my meds is screwing with me".

Additionally, in terms of presentation options, I'm a nudist, for fuck's sake. Without going hardcore surgical, how could I even imagine passing or going androgynous in presentation without changing large elements of my lifestyle? Although contrariwise, I'm actually not at all gender-conflicted about wandering around topless in public with big, saggy, DD boobs and not feeling like it feminizes me at all (so damned happy they're not perky. I think that might fuck with me). If anything, I feel more confident in the underlying masculinity of being topless and in jeans, as it presents on me, than almost any other presentation. I have, in fact, in a particularly funny moment, scared off drunk frat boys trying to hit on a group of us by standing up from the fire, topless, tattooed, and shoulders squared, and doing basically nothing else. They left. Immediately. (and yes, I realize there's lots to unpack about how I perceive and reflect some gender stereotypes, and I work and think on that a lot, but it would be many paragraphs more than I'm too drugged out to think about)

So, although I'd like to live in a world that would take my definitions of my own gender at face value, I just can't be bothered enough to stress about it, as long as the people I care about get it. Any by and large, they do. When they don't, when they blow it off, it hurts. Again to rhapsodize about Chad and Katy, but their active appreciation of my masculinity is hugely important and validating to me. The most safe I feel in my close relationships, the more I feel my masculinity is validated, the paradoxically more comfortable I am wandering the full range of my personal gender spectrum, and enjoying the feminine end of that too. I don't feel like their lack of grokking me will conceptually lock me into that zone forever if I happen to wander there. When I feel like I'm having to fight to have my masculinities acknowledged or taken seriously, I'm much more reactive and unwilling to wander into femme-land at all.

It's also something odd about talking about my gender stuff in front of high school and college folks who often saw mostly my girl drag, and may find some of this seemingly baffling and out-of-the-blue. Or worse, dismissable. *sigh* Insecurities much?

That Clonopin I took almost 10 hours ago is still fucking me up in a massive way (goes to look up half-life -- well, fuck. 18-50 hours. Oy.), so I'm pretty incapable of rereading for coherency at the moment. My apologies (and only half a pill if I ever need it again in the future!)

Date: 2012-08-07 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pathofthebear.livejournal.com
Thanks for this. Good to know I'm not alone. I feel pretty close to this myself (LOVE being mistaken for a sir) although at least right now I never go femme anymore... Too much built up crap about other people's expectations right now. I do remember a few isolated happy femme times, but, well okay, maybe just one... yeah, one. (I don't actually remember the time in this picture, for instance). So...yeah. It is what it is. I run more masculine, but fuck if I'm going to have surgery or try really hard to pass--too much going on. I feel like either way (masculine or feminine) I am forced to try to pass...so...third suits me fine. :) I just am, this way, you know?

Date: 2012-08-07 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmuppet.livejournal.com
Thank you; reading yours set off so much in my brain I basically had to write this right away.

Date: 2012-08-07 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] infowidget.livejournal.com
It's not only coherent. It pretty much sums up my own thoughts on gender.

To correlate with some perhaps less than coherent thoughts:

Brings to mind my thoughts of every time I am wearing a skirt, I think of it as a fancy kilt.
I have thought of the terms girl drag as to describe my own cultural normative gendered feminine form of dress.

I figure I am stuck with the body I have. I have breasts. I have hips. I can't do much about it without veering too close to body image hating and I don't want that...

I view myself has gender fluid as what is perceived by one to be feminine may be thought to be masculine by another. I could go on but it is past 1:30am...eep.

I hope all is well and thank you very much as being generally awesome, accepting off others and just freaking cool!

Date: 2012-08-07 07:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moominmuppet.livejournal.com
Aw, thanks!

The fancy kilt thing? Totally with you. It's why I insist on referring to my various dresses and skirts as "utiligarments"

I can have my femininity productively appreciated by the right people in the right circumstances, but it's definitely touchy territory for me.

Date: 2012-08-07 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alicephilippa.livejournal.com
Too many people are dismissive of, if not outright hostile, towards gender issues. Gender does not fit into two net little boxes marked 'male' & 'female'. Nor can membership of those boxes be determined by a peek at the genitals at birth.

Gender comes from inside and it sure in heck isn't binary. Heck you don't even have to have a gender.

Whilst for 99% of the population gender just is, and they do fit into the neat little boxes. The other 1% of us don't. It can take us years before we find you own comfort spot. Even if we knew long before we knew what gender was as a concept that there was something wrong.

Of that 1% of the population many will not actively do anything that in anyway could be classed as gender transition as it may have been no more that a thought or two. Some like yourself will find a balance as gender queer/fluid.

Of that 1% only about 1%, roughly 0.01% (1 in 10,000) of the population will like myself actually transition and live completely happily as the gender opposite to that we were assigned at birth.

We all have to find our own place, whether that is gender queer/fluid or fully transitioning, no matter what that does to/in the minds of others. They are the ones with the problems. Not us.

Date: 2012-08-07 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heavenscalyx.livejournal.com
I recently tried to educate an old acquaintance about trans issues (she had a lot of the second-waver sorts of objections to full transitioning going on), and I used my own experience of going from trying to be a straight femme to being a butch dyke as an analogy for her -- the difference in how I felt abandoning any attempt at femme drag, at settling into my body the way I wanted to, walking the way I wanted to, talking the way I wanted to, wearing more and more men's clothes. And then I told her, "And if I felt that terrible about the clothing I felt like I had to wear and the mannerisms I felt like I had to adopt, I can only imagine what it's like to feel that uncomfortable in one's own body," and I think I actually managed to convey something to her. (Which is good, because the only reason I made the attempt is that she's clergy in a very open congregation, and I thought, "What happens if someone comes to her about gender issues and she's still doing this second-wave song and dance?")

It took me a couple of months after I left my Evil Ex to start shedding the mannerisms and the need to try to be femme. I still remember the day my walk changed, even some 16 years later. It just changed as I walked through a department store at the mall. One moment, I was walking like I had for the past several years, and the next moment, all my weight settled differently and I was taking longer, heavier strides. The next time my girlfriend saw me, she noticed it (admiringly), and life went on, only I felt better about myself.

Date: 2012-08-07 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ronin001.livejournal.com
if it means anything (and hopefully some of our conversations have gleaned to this) I've never thought of you in terms of gender or even sexuality as much as I've thought of you in terms of common interest. If we were local, you'd be a proper mate in my circle of friends, a term my friends and I use that seems to transcend the who or what we are in recognition that it never really mattered in the first place, as much as just that we all like each other a hellofa whole lot :-)

Date: 2012-08-12 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greylen.livejournal.com
Ummmmmm it is laaaaaaaate at nite and this post is thought-provoking, but the only thing that will come out my fingers into my keyboard right now is:

>with a gigantic fucking clit of fantastic, cock-like proportions

mmmmmmm tasty! yes please!!!!!! and uh, see icon.

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